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"Among the attempts to create hagiographic eulogies of Charlie Kirk, I’ve seen
more than a few people suggest that Kirk should be respected for being willing
to talk to “those who disagree with him” as a sign that he was engaging in good
faith. Perhaps the perfect example of this is Ezra Klein’s silly eulogy
claiming that Kirk was “practicing politics the right way” because he would
debate students who disagreed with him.
Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to
campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the
era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion.
There are many problems with this statement, but Klein’s fundamental error
reveals something much more dangerous: he’s mistaking performance for
discourse, spectacle for persuasion. Kirk wasn’t showing up to campuses to
“talk with anyone who would talk to him.” He was showing up armed with a string
of logical fallacies, nonsense talking points, and gotcha questions
specifically designed to enrage inexperienced college students so he could
generate viral social media clips of himself “owning the libs.”
Klein is eulogizing not a practitioner of good-faith political discourse, but
one of the most successful architects of “debate me bro” culture—a particularly
toxic form of intellectual harassment that has become endemic to our political
discourse. And by praising Kirk as practicing “politics the right way,” Klein
is inadvertently endorsing a grift that actively undermines the kind of
thoughtful engagement our democracy desperately needs.
The “debate me bro” playbook is simple and effective: demand that serious
people engage with your conspiracy theories or extremist talking points. If
they decline, cry “censorship!” and claim they’re “afraid of the truth.” If
they accept, turn the interaction into a performance designed to generate viral
clips and false legitimacy. It’s a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose proposition that
has nothing to do with genuine intellectual discourse.
The fundamental issue with “debate me bro” culture isn’t just that it’s
obnoxious, it’s that it creates a false equivalence between good-faith
expertise and bad-faith trolling. When you agree to debate someone pushing
long-debunked conspiracy theories or openly hateful ideologies, you’re
implicitly suggesting that their position deserves equal consideration
alongside established facts and expert analysis.
This is exactly backwards from how the actual “marketplace of ideas” is
supposed to work. Ideas don’t deserve platforms simply because someone is
willing to argue for them loudly. They earn legitimacy through evidence, peer
review, and sustained engagement with reality. Many of the ideas promoted in
these viral “debates” have already been thoroughly debunked and rejected by
that marketplace—but the “debate me bro” format resurrects them as if they’re
still worth serious consideration.
Perhaps most insidiously, these aren’t actually debates at all. They’re
performances designed to generate specific emotional reactions for viral
distribution. Participants aren’t trying to persuade anyone or genuinely engage
with opposing viewpoints. They’re trying to create moments that will get
clipped, shared, and monetized across social media.
Kirk perfected this grift. As a recent detailed analysis of one of Kirk’s
debates demonstrates, when a student showed up prepared with nuanced,
well-researched arguments, Kirk immediately tried pivoting to culture war
talking points and deflection tactics. When debaters tried to use Kirk’s own
standards against him, he shifted subjects entirely. The goal was never
understanding or persuasion—it was generating content for social media
distribution."
Cheers,
*** Xanni ***
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mailto:xanni@xanadu.net Andrew Pam
http://xanadu.com.au/ Chief Scientist, Xanadu
https://glasswings.com.au/ Partner, Glass Wings
https://sericyb.com.au/ Manager, Serious Cybernetics
